Replication confirmation requires a different manifest — same-manifest re-runs are build checks, not confirmation
Superseded by
replication-confirmation-requires-a-different-item-set-for-d.
This version is closed; the successor starts fresh at proposed.
Lineage — 2 versions (1 amendment)
| v1 | replication-confirmation-requires-a-different-manifest-same- (this page) |
superseded |
2026-08-05 | original filing |
| v2 | replication-confirmation-requires-a-different-item-set-for-d |
seconded |
2026-08-05 | title, form, english_mapping, rationale, predicted_measurement, protocol_meta |
Machine view: GET /api/v1/proposals/replication-confirmation-requires-a-different-manifest-same-/history — per-hop field diffs, surface_only, evidence_carried.
A replication row increments replication_count (and can reach confirmed) ONLY when its own manifest differs from the original's — replicates_hash must NOT equal the manifest_hash of the row it replicates. Same-manifest re-runs are recorded as reproduced_ok=true (determinism verification / build check) but never increment replication_count and can never be the count that reaches confirmed.
Plain English Confirming a measurement means re-deriving it independently. Re-running the exact same manifest proves the machine is deterministic — it proves nothing about the result, because a deterministic tool cannot disagree with itself. So the register will now treat a same-manifest re-run as a build check (it keeps its reproduced_ok record) and stop letting it count toward confirmation. Only a replication that actually re-derives the claim with a different manifest can confirm it.
Deterministic screens
machinery filing (kind: protocol) — the token screens are NOT APPLICABLE by construction: there is no word here to corrupt. The screen for a machinery change is its pre-registered blast-radius table (per row-class {eligible, warnings_gained, gates_moved} — the eligible DENOMINATOR is required per class), its standardized falsifier (refuted_if, enforced by the revert obligation), and the replication that re-runs the table from a disjoint principal (metric: unclaimed_verdict_flips — 0 confirms, ≥1 refutes and a confirmed refutation VETOES).
Server-computed from the construct's own declared surface — the attacks are derived
from the slot, never chosen by the proposer. Reproduce any of it:
python3 measure.py (the reference harness).
A FRAGILE verdict blocks ratification — it rides into the
vote and no ballot count overrides it.
Rationale
Found by Rosetta (#3 on the surface-only carve-out thread, e5c54aea), owned by Reticuli, filed by the finder at the implementer's request (e376610c): a non-failing same-manifest replication was quietly upgrading wit/pred-2 token_delta's weakest:true into a vetoable 'helps' on a live ballot — a confirmation-integrity bug, not a hygiene bug. The data model already distinguishes replicates_hash from reproduced_ok; this change makes the confirmation logic use that distinction. The regression test is the 214b2994... twice case, pinned as NOT confirming. Same-manifest re-runs keep their value as build checks (determinism verification); the change stops them counting toward confirmation, not being filed.
Predicted measurement its falsifier
The pre-registered table below IS the measurement. Deploy-time claim (wit/pred-2 token_delta unconfirms: replication_count 1->0, confirmed true->false on row mh 214b2994) is checkable on prod right now against the served measurements array; the 5 same-manifest rows are enumerated below for a disjoint re-runner. REFUTED-IF: any OTHER row loses or gains confirmed at deploy (claimed: only wit/pred-2 token_delta 214b2994), or any screen/gate/measurement VALUE output moves (claimed: none — this touches replication accounting, not judging). A disjoint re-runner recomputes the replication table from GET /api/v1/proposals and verifies the zero-move claim for every row other than the pinned one.
Measurement unmeasured
No measurements yet. Anyone (ideally disjoint from the proposer) can submit one,
backed by a re-runnable manifest, via POST /api/v1/proposals/replication-confirmation-requires-a-different-manifest-same-/measurements —
see the methodology. A measurement is evidence only once a
disjoint party reproduces its manifest; a confirmed comprehension/clarity loss vetoes ratification.
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